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Stevensville Mike
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« on: July 24, 2011, 12:20:41 PM »

This was different:

Last night, the rain stayed away and Butler Motor Speedway got the program going right on time.  It was "Old Timer's Night", wherein they had somevintage cars.  They went around the track for awhile, etc.  Then the real program started.

Come Feature time, Modifieds went first.  After what seemed like an eternity to get them going, caution after caution, the Mods got going.  Then they had a late caution and the announcer stated something to the effect of they were calling the Mod Feature based on it running too long.  He said they had a 20 minute time limit (like Big Time Wrestling?) and they reached it prior to the number of scheduled laps.  Seemed like they ran more than 20 minutes to me, but oh well.

Hmmmm...

Then they had a stock division run their feature.

Next up, Sprints!  25 laps.

After a few cautions, and one late, the announcer repeated the same thing he did with the Mods.  They had 18 laps down in the Sprint Feature and were going to green-white-checker it due to time constraints!  So, the Feature was cut to 20 laps!

After the Sprint Feature was another Stock Feature, so it was not like they were "impeding" anyone.

The stands are filled due to the Sprints - they know that.  If you do not believe me, just watch them empty after the Sprint Feature.  If this is the rule for Butler these days, I say run the Sprints first and have time limits on all of the other classes. 

And give me 1/5 of my money back.   Angry

Never been to a Sprint Feature called on time (at a place w/o a curfew).
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« Reply #1 on: July 24, 2011, 03:22:12 PM »

I am SO happy that I am not the only one who sees the stupidity in this situation!

I went up in the stands to watch the Mod feature, only because a few kids that used to race Mini Sprints with us have moved up to that class.  Let me state for the record that I HATE mods, but I will watch my boys race.  So, they get going, caution, 2 laps later, caution.  With 8 laps complete, the caution came out 3 different times.  They get 2 green laps in, making it halfway (although you would NOT have known this unless you were counting or paying attention because they took the lap counter off the scoreboard by this point in time) when the caution comes out yet again.  That was when the announcer told us that they were going G/W/C.  WTF?  We are gonna watch a glorified HEAT RACE?  I need to mention that had the drivers not wanted to argue with the calls that Dustin was making (and the people in the tower as well), the race might have actually made it to 20 laps, but every time the caution came out, at least 1 driver felt the need to argue with Dustin about something.

Then it is time for the Sprints.  Yay!  This is the race that I had been looking forward to all night!  This is the first winged, big car race that I have been to all year, so I was excited.  Then theres cautions and the announcer starts threatening to shorten the race yet again.  Then there was a red and we all knew that it was over then.  When they went back green, they once again took the lap counter off the scoreboard, so you knew that it was coming.  They only ran 15 laps in that feature.  Let me tell you, the drivers were PISSED after the race.

I didn't pay to get in there to watch a glorified heat race.  I paid to watch heat races, B-mains, Old Timers and FEATURES.  And that is what all the other fans paid for as well. 

I can understand using the time limit, in certain instances.  You know, like if its already 1 am, or if there is rain in the area, both of which were NOT the case. 

Utterly RIDICULOUS!
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« Reply #2 on: July 24, 2011, 06:13:07 PM »

Who won the sprint featurette? Nothing is sent from there any longer. Nothing on their website.
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« Reply #3 on: July 24, 2011, 06:42:37 PM »

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« Reply #4 on: July 26, 2011, 06:35:04 PM »

I can understand using the time limit, in certain instances.  You know, like if its already 1 am, or if there is rain in the area, both of which were NOT the case.  

I agree, Jamie.  What exactly were we hurrying up to get to?

I was going to voice my opinion to them on line, but the track has no E-Mail address!  I guess I'll do it next time I go there.
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« Reply #5 on: July 26, 2011, 11:18:03 PM »

I can understand using the time limit, in certain instances.  You know, like if its already 1 am, or if there is rain in the area, both of which were NOT the case.  

I agree, Jamie.  What exactly were we hurrying up to get to?

I was going to voice my opinion to them on line, but the track has no E-Mail address!  I guess I'll do it next time I go there.

they have a FB page, but the track doesnt run it, a fan does.  and generally they delete anything negative gets deleted.  you could always call the track, or denny for that matter, and let them know how you feel. 

you should see how they are fighting about it on butlers forum, its quite entertaining.

i only go out there once a year.  thats it.  and the ONLY reason i was there was because it was old timers night, my dads car was there and i hadnt seen her in over a year.  so, to sit there and watch glorified heat races, watch the track officials work on the cars (when really they should have been in the pits having their crew do it and then tacking on to the tail) watch the drivers bitch and moan to dustin because they have to go to the tail (when they have already been told over the radio and they are choosing to ignore the tower), it all makes me not want to go back.

i grew up there.  it will always hold a special place in my heart.  but if this is how its gonna be from now on, i will hit up an AVSS show and see those guys instead.
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« Reply #6 on: July 27, 2011, 05:47:20 AM »

S-Ville Mike, you should see the comments on Butlers forum!  Its on proboards!  Not for sure on the site address.  will try and paste the link for you later today to check it out!  Another PO'd fan voicing their opinion always stirs things up on there!  Just look at my posts!
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« Reply #7 on: July 27, 2011, 06:41:42 AM »

You know....I am a huge sprint car fan (obviously because I married one), but putting a time limit on the sprints is asinine.  The only time I believe you should cut a sprint feature short is if there are numerous wrecks due to track conditions and there is a chance someone's gonna get hurt badly or if there is only 1 car running because the others have wrecked or dropped out.  I do believe in limiting the stock cars, modifieds, or cars with starters to be "politically correct" because you'll sit there, watch 8-10 yellows that a car spins out, stops on the track, sits there purposely WAITING on the yellow, only to start his car up and take off.  The one track that does not do that is Kokomo, or didn't the last time I was there.  They tell them that they run green to checkered, and only throw a yellow if the track is blocked or someone flips and is possibly hurt.  Buddy, let me tell you, they spin out and their back started up and under way quickly.  If a sprint feature goes green to checkered, 25 laps can only take minutes at the most.  That is crazy that they put a time limit on the sprints.  If my hubby would've been running when they did that....he probably wouldn't go back.
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« Reply #8 on: July 27, 2011, 07:56:19 AM »

Well, a couple years ago, Butler did away with the Late models i guess because of the hour and a half it took to run an A-main with all the B.S. going on out on the track. The sprints are a little different. Sure you will have a spin here and there but in general, this is a completely different caliber of racer. They are not the guy that is going to spin someone or retaliate on track. If you need to shorten the A-Main for the street stocks, Mods, or whatever the class may be then advertise it before the race. Cutting the laps on your most popular class and pissin off the folks in the stands will only hurt your fan base. And believe me Butler, if the Sprint car fans leave, you can hang a lock on the gate.
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« Reply #9 on: July 30, 2011, 08:21:06 AM »

I heard a rumor that they might be cancelling the All-Star show in August!  Not for sure how true this is but it would be one huge mistake!  The All-Stars are scheduled the same weekend as MIS.  What a bonus for Butler! I seen on Jessica Zemkins website that she is planning on running this show!  I would almost have to bet that you may see Smoke there running also, maybe Kahne too!  How Butler doesnt do anything stupid and pull the All-Stars!  A huge opportunity awaits them!
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« Reply #10 on: July 30, 2011, 09:00:04 AM »

I think Denny Donaldson had something to do with getting the AllStars there.  I wouldn't think he would let them cancel unless they had to or he can't stop them.  They will have a huge crowd that night.  Did you happen to hear this on the Butler board?  If so I wouldn't listen to that, that is mainly SS board and they are so negative of the sprints.
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« Reply #11 on: July 31, 2011, 12:38:56 AM »

I heard a rumor that they might be cancelling the All-Star show in August!  Not for sure how true this is but it would be one huge mistake!  The All-Stars are scheduled the same weekend as MIS.  What a bonus for Butler! I seen on Jessica Zemkins website that she is planning on running this show!  I would almost have to bet that you may see Smoke there running also, maybe Kahne too!  How Butler doesnt do anything stupid and pull the All-Stars!  A huge opportunity awaits them!

they wont cancel that show.  and i HIGHLY doubt that smoke or kasey will show up there since attica switches to saturday that weekend.  i mean, it *could* happen, but its not likely.
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« Reply #12 on: July 31, 2011, 05:25:14 AM »

Last time they were at MIS they raced at Attica because it was an AllStar show (speedweek).  Tony's GF will be there so it wouldn't surprise me he shows up, might not race.  It's within driving distance from MIS.
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« Reply #13 on: July 31, 2011, 09:58:29 AM »

You know....I am a huge sprint car fan (obviously because I married one), but putting a time limit on the sprints is asinine.  The only time I believe you should cut a sprint feature short is if there are numerous wrecks due to track conditions and there is a chance someone's gonna get hurt badly or if there is only 1 car running because the others have wrecked or dropped out.  I do believe in limiting the stock cars, modifieds, or cars with starters to be "politically correct" because you'll sit there, watch 8-10 yellows that a car spins out, stops on the track, sits there purposely WAITING on the yellow, only to start his car up and take off.  The one track that does not do that is Kokomo, or didn't the last time I was there.  They tell them that they run green to checkered, and only throw a yellow if the track is blocked or someone flips and is possibly hurt.  Buddy, let me tell you, they spin out and their back started up and under way quickly.  If a sprint feature goes green to checkered, 25 laps can only take minutes at the most.  That is crazy that they put a time limit on the sprints.  If my hubby would've been running when they did that....he probably wouldn't go back.

KM, thank you for your words.  When I first posted, I thought I was coming across as a complaining fan (which I WAS - but that's not the point).  When I see folks who have a vested interest in racing, like you and yours, it makes me feel like I'm not far off base with this topic.

Anyways, I went to Butler last night (7/30 - Part II):

I talked with one of the sprint drivers who has run regularly out there for years and years and asked him about the "timed" feature.  He was quite forward about it.  He said it has been a track policy for years.  Every now and then the track enforces the rule. 

The whole thing stems from complaints about Butler running too long into the night years back, was how he was told.  Because of that, the track has put time limits on all of the classes to ensure the evening gets over before morning. 

He also pointed out that he knows they have shortened the features before, because every time they HAVE, he was screwed over on the track.   Cheesy

Then I asked an official.  I ambushed the guy I thought was more in charge out there than anyone else.  Well.... I didn't really "ambush" him, I asked him if he had a few minutes pre-race and he gladly obliged:

The timed features, are, in fact, track policy, and have been so for quite a few years.  He basically repeated what the driver I talked with said.  I told him I didn't like it, and wished they'd just run the Sprint Feature first and "time" the rest of the features after that.  He didn't comment too much on my format suggestion, but he somewhat "apologized" and thanked me for my input, but that was about all he could do.

When I asked him about last week's time shortened show, he pointed something out to me, too.  He told me with the number of laps the sprints ran in the feature, and the condition of the track, by the time the "time limit" came into play, the RR tires on the sprints were just about shot.  They were approaching blowout time.  So for that, we would have been looking at red flag conditions and a longer delay.  Then you get into an open red condition, refueling, etc.....  The track does not want to go there.

I can see that point, but I cannot see it for the undercard (i.e. the Mods).  Now, I failed to ask him about the Mod Feature getting cut short last week.  Seems like the Mods had a better handle on the tires and the track - they ran first.  Not only that, I have never seen a Modified Feature fall to blown RR tires, or the need to refuel.  But I failed to pursue this point.  I needed a good lawyer to represent me.  Gavin Hunyady - where were you guys when I needed you?   Grin

So, that was that.  It was now 7:30 p.m. - start time.

I went up into the grandstand, they played both the Canadian and American National Anthems, I took my seat, and the street stocks rolled out for their first heat.  The track was overwatered and they had to run it in further.  Green flag fell at 7:50 p.m.   I just sat there in the sun, shaking my head, looking at my watch.

On a sidebar, Mod Feature was called on time again last night.  Sprints went the distance.  Kevin Atkins got the win.
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« Reply #14 on: July 31, 2011, 10:52:56 AM »

Its Butler, what else do ya expect.... i think ur allowed to marry your sister there also Smiley
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